Smart Counsel

What are the barriers to lasting change? Turns out some of the biggest are internal, and have to do with relationships. Rhys Pasimio and Ben Poling have a conversation with CSAT colleague Stephen Grant and discuss how change happens. We talk about First and Second Order Change, (changing behaviors, then changing motivations and internal values) and Grant introduces the concept of Third Order Change - Changing relationships to self, others, the world, and God. Along the way, we give nods to Internal Family Systems Theory. Grant also gives a brief introduction to ART – Accelerated Resolution Therapy, and changing the way we experience memories, particularly trigger memories. This episode of SMART Counsel features the following professionals: Rhys Pasimio – rhys@newpatterncounseling.com Ben Poling - benpolingcounseling.com Stephen Black– gracefallcounseling.com Please visit www.patreon.com/smartcounsel to learn how you can support the podcast. Thanks! The Master’s in Counseling program at Multnomah Universit